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to us, but it was a full blown hearing Was that because of community outreach or would that have qualified? Weinstein We just decided to do that particular one because it was a slightly more complex CUP than the permits that usually come through the planning division and also to give Jay some exposure to the Planning Commission Commissioner Balch Couldn't it have been a minor CUP? Weinstein So if my recollection is correct, that was a private club That was the use category and that's not part of our list of uses that are eligible for minor CUPs Under our current proposal it would not be eligible for a minor CUP Commissioner Balch Let me phrase it another way That club, if they would have come in and say they were a chamber orchestra music facility could they have been a minor CUP'? Weinstein Right, if they were just simply a music academy, but as part of the application review process we look at proposals and we ascertain what use the applicant Commissioner Balch Let me tell you what my concern is, right, so here's what's happened with that particular one Staff level approval of a minor PUD modification which modifies conditions set by this body to allow uses outside of a designated time block It was a condition of the PUD right? Then you move forward 25 or so years and so we do a staff level, Zoning Administrator approval to modify that condition and then come sometime you could do a minor CUP and have a chamber orchestra in an industrial area, a light industrial area, which may be considered an incompatible use but yet all approvals are at the staff level It is similar to the coding school Both could have been at staff level under this process Does that concern you? Beaudin Can I suggest I think we need to establish a better list of uses and a more concrete list of uses for the minor use permit process and here's just frankly what happened We looked into all of the CUPs over the last couple of years and we couldn't find any that fit really well into this category so far so we're going to cast a wider net and see which uses may not fit and ultimately, this minor use permit concept just might not have a use that fits there right now We committed to exploring this idea because what we hear a lot of times is that the CUP process is too onerous but it's hard to have a conversation with you tonight in a really meaningful way because we don't have a list of uses we'd like to put into that bucket and create that streamlined process for, and I think your question, Commissioner Balch, is valid except that we're not even sure that a use like that is going to end up in here I think we've got some uses we think could work but the 20 students is a lot depending on the size of a shopping center and I think if you think of a music school, maybe it's two rooms and they have up to five kids on site at any given time, maybe that's a different scenario than 20, and 20 might work at a site that has a 200,000 square foot office complex so even just putting the number of students in here gives me pause EXCERPT PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, August 31, 2016 Page 6 of 25