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Commissioner Balch Maybe where I'm also going and I hadn't gotten there during question time, is does age play a factor I was an applicant which I lost horribly in front of the Planning Commission which is actually what got me involved in city government whereby the age of the 20 students was approximately 8-10 year olds So it was really a day care trying to produce itself as some other use because it couldn't get into an approval route that it wanted to do and the applicant's position at the time was basically then, well code enforcement will have to come get me and we know how over-the-board he is And it's such a why I'm talking up this particular one with the chamber orchestra, you know, yes it was a private club and that's a valid point but a slight change in the narrative and it's a music facility, right? Beaudin So I'll say that again, I think the uses we identify for this have to be a lot more concrete so you can have a real conversation and then, you know, for the games that people play, I mean I've seen people play all different ways right? You write the narrative for the project, you get your approval and suddenly it's something else That's just kind of the nature of the game that some people are willing to play in the communities where they want to operate They fairly quickly get identified and they I become problematic and then they're essentially removed or they get through the right process and they get the right approvals and some people do it by accident and some people don't, and so I don't want to write the regulations around the folks who are going to try and circumvent the process because they'll always exist So I think getting the right uses and trying to set up a framework that allows us to be successful to help people efficiently get into a space is the right mindset, but I think it needs to be more concrete to help you decide if it's right Commissioner Balch I have no further questions Commissioner Nagler So let me just say in this context, I know you want to but let me just say, the idea of coming up with a category of CUPs that are so minor however that's defined and so routine however that's defined that it ought not cost the applicant as much time and money and need not take the time of this Commission is a laudable goal How you get there is the point you're raising, but I just want to make sure it's clear that it's a laudable rule Commissioner Brown Why not just make it permitted? Beaudin Because there are certainly uses that fit the laudable goal definition that Commissioner Nagler just mentioned They become routine but they still need the clarification and they need a set of parameters that help them operate in rules that don't affect their neighbors in an adverse way It's largely about neighbors There are some things that are community-wide but that kind of elevates it It's really, if you're in a business park or a business center or you're even in a residential area Commissioner Brown So one other question is, are there two levels of CUPs today in terms of do all CUPS have the same fee? Or, are there other CUPs? Beaudin No, there's one CUP application process and you can do modifications or approvals that cost less do you have a master fee schedule? Or do you know off the EXCERPT PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, August 31, 2016 Page 7 of 25