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Commissioner Balch Maybe I could suggest we go by retail and then we move to page 23 and go by personal? Chair Ritter We've got an hour to go through 4 questions and how do we do this most efficiently? That's what I'm asking So staff, what do you really need from us is I guess what we need to know Weinstein Commissioner Allen's comment was really helpful I think if you have problems with any of the categories, then let us know Beaudin This isn't your only opportunity We will be back, so if you're looking at this two days from now, send us an email and we'll keep iterating on this as we take it around and show it to other people as well and when we come back, we'll try to capture all the changes for you in a staff report Chair Ritter Just like Brad did with his email Commissioner Brown Before we move onto the 60,000, when I looked at Table 1, approximate square footage of retail venues and I looked at the size of Lucky's, Macy's, Safeway, both the Pleasanton Gateway and Amador Center and when I think about the Johnson Drive EDZ and the Measure MM or whatever it is coming up in the fall, that's set at 50,000 Would 50,000 not be a more appropriate number based on the examples in Table 1 versus 60,000? Weinstein One of the authors is sitting in this room right now, he'll admittedly say that you know, 50,000 square feet is a somewhat arbitrary breakoff in terms of regulating uses above that differently than regulating uses below it So again, we're open to different suggestions on the appropriate square footage for the breakoff, but in looking at uses here in town that exist right now, it seemed like uses above 60,000 square feet had slightly different use patterns than uses below that, but the breakdown could be anywhere really, it seemed like 60,000 was about the right number Chair Ritter So a question You came up with all of these Is there some city that we're mimicking that's done it really well that we're trying to figure out how it works best? Commissioner Balch No, that's why we're here Chair Ritter Okay, let's make it better than the other best city How did we start with this? That's what I'm Beaudin Maybe I'll just try and pull back to the definition of you know retail and larger footprint retail We've done a lot of work with Amy Herman Economics as part of the Johnson Drive work and she's been really helpful in terms of characterizing different scales of a different size of retail footprints and what that really means in terms of actual vendors I don't have her table with me tonight, but I would say that anything 80,000 and larger is large footprint retail That's a pretty common threshold and it's used both in planning terms and by economists to define "big box" and so I think what we said is the scale and character of Pleasanton is a little bit different and smaller than elsewhere, and EXCERPT PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, August 31, 2016 Page 13 of 25